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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 17/11/2008 17:19:52

First of all Boon is just being a sore loser and general asshole as usual.

However since someone with a brain (larry) and someone I do respect (Larry) asked me to post stats I will do it. Here are recent stats of me and my alts against people mentioned in the list:

1.Black Bear
2.Nigel Benn
3.Fernando Vargas
4.Red Viper
5.Reaper
6. Rocky Marciano

Me vs Fernando Vargas

Time Winner Result Opponent

13-11-2008 Rocky Marciano TKO9 Fernando Vargas 13-11-2008 http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=726997
03-09-2008 The Contender TKO8 Fernando Vargas 03-09-2008 http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=713033
01-09 2008 The Contender KO9 Fernando Vargas 2008-09-01 http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=712668

Those all all recent fights I have done against him. Before that last time we boxed (to best of my knowledge) was 22-2-2008 but I do not count it as can not be concidered recent by any means. However here is the result just in case Rocky Marciano TKO5 Fernando Vargas http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=679953

Fernando Vargas is very good. Based on my experience boxing him I would say Fernado and I are of equal skill level despite me having won all recent matches between the two of us. His style is hard to deal with and works against my style. It seems that I have a slight edge over him now but it is nothing to talk about and can change any given time.

Me vs. Nigel Benn

Time Winner Result Opponent Match Video:

2008-08-13 The Contender TKO10 Nigel Benn http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=706887
2008-08-04 The Contender TKOby11 Nigel Benn http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=704500
2008-08-04 Nigel Benn TKO3 The Contender http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=704499

Other than that we have not boxed recently and I have improved a lot since last time him and I boxed. Nigel Benn is very good and one of the best ever. However styles make matches and having boxed him I feel his personal style does not really work that well against my style in the long run. Your style (Larry) is good example of a style that does work against my style.

In general Nigel and I have not boxed a lot at all. Here are two old matches I could find:

2008-05-13 Rocky Marciano KOby8 Nigel Benn http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=693184
2008-05-13 Nigel Benn TKO10 Rocky Marciano http://onlineboxing.net/applet/index.jsp?fight_id=693176

Me vs. Red Viper

Time Winner Result Opponent Match Video:

17-11-2008 Technique TKO11 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=727720
19-9-2008 Rocky Marciano TKO5 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=715657
19-9-2008 Rocky Marciano TKO4 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=715659
30-10-2008 Rocky Marciano KO2 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723945
30-10-2008 Rocky Marciano TKO12 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723947
28-10-2008 Good Fight TKO1 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723443
28-10-2008 Good Fight TKO2 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723445
28-10-2008 Good Fight TKO2 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723464
28-10-2008 Good Fight KO3 Red Viper http://onlineboxing.net/ob2d/applet/view_fight.jsp?fight_id=723465

Few more:

Red Viper KO6 The Contender 27-8-2008
The Contender TKO10 Red Viper 19-8-2008
The Contender W12 Red Viper 19-8-2008
The Contender TKO10 Red Viper 19-8-2008
The Contender TKO9 Red Viper 19-8-2008

Red Viper used to beat me most of the time. However as you can see I have improved and he now has hard time beating me. Red viper is a very good boxer who has his own unique style. I can not really say his style does not work against me. His style is such that he is always dangerous no matter what. Ever since I improved (thanks partly to Red Viper for that) my defense has shown to be good enough to neutralise his attacks. I feel I am bit better than him at the moment. This can of cource change.

Me vs. Reaper

I am getting tired of digging up stats as asked to. Anyway Reaper has been away from OB for a long time so all matches are old. Apparently he is in the army or something. There are no recent matches other than me alt Koing and Tkoing him few times. Also his history file does not seem to show all his matches. I think this information says it all: He agreed to do 100 matches against me and quit after I won the first 16 inside first two rounds. Altough he improved a lot so did I and it never really changed and I kept my edge over him. I suppose his style does not work that well against mine.

Just a couple of matches

Winner Result Opponent

Punch Drunk KO3 Reaper
Punch Drunk TKO4 Reaper
Rocky Marciano TKO1 Reaper
Rocky Marciano KO1 Reaper
Rocky Marciano KO1 Reaper
Rocky Marciano KO1 Reaper

Me vs. Black Bear

Black Bear is just better than me and I have never said or claimed anything else so I am not listing any matches. Go dig them up yourself if you are interested. This is taking too much of my time already. Boon needs to learn to read. I was working on beating him and managed to squeeze out few wins before he retired. That being said he beat me A LOT. Our styles are somewhat similar and since his timing is slightly better it's very hard for me to win against him.

Oh and Btw. For all who are full of hateraid: I dug up only RECENT matches. I used to get beat a lot by EVERYONE till I improved. That happened about 3-4 months ago. It is nothing special and everyone can do it if they put their mind on it and stop doing the same mistakes over and over again in the ring. WTF would the point of digging up some 1, 2 or 3 years old matches anyway... There is none so cry me a river.

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Now those are the fact and Boon facts do not lie. You are wrong. Knowing that you are just trash I am fairly sure you are not man enough to admit it and for sure you will not apologize. You are just trash. I intended to ignore you and just make some ridiculous videos. Well thanks to Larry I had to go trough trouble of digging up some stats.

As far as I am concerned you can just STFU and go have gay sex with Reaper. I am done with you. I schooled you in the ring so get over it and stop posting crap. I dont talk BS you should have known that.

Also I have a title now and am more than happy to give people title shots. This however does so NOT include you Boon. I would perhaps consider giving you one if you first apologize me and admit being wrong. Till you do that you are being completely ignored. Not worth of my time.

Remember the time when Red Viper and I had this argument on who is better. We boxed, he defeated me and I posted admitting it and apologizing him and went on to work on improving my skills. That's what real men do - admit their own mistakes and learn from them. Go figure it out.

That idea would not work anymore really Sal because of the fact that the only HOFers tht are here r Sal,HTF,Lerry,Fatny 4 ppl vote for it?? like a panel of judges lol..

It shud be the HOFers and Popular Vote,like in the presidential elections..

Make the HOF votes like electorial votes and Popular like the General Vote.
And if u get to a certain amount of votes and electorial (HOF) votes u are a HOFer.

So if theres 4 or 5 active forum HOFers u hav to have atleast 3 electorial (HOF) votes.And you would hav to reach a certain amount with the popular vote.

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You might want to remove that RETIRED mark in your sig Skillz.

lol im still retired as of right now...but im getn my keyboard n mouse adaptor so i can use mine on this computer (laptop,dont support f2p port)

So when i get tht ill b back for sure

That was my whole point only the HOF'ers and mikkel is in the discussion of who gets in or not since he created the damn game and moderators and so on and so forth not the ppl who play the game.

I wanted mikkel to make the offical post for the HOF updat not anyone of yall

ok i undersand mikkel but can the we vote on he should go in and be an unofficial voting

Rocky, you just answered the question if I was so intelligent or you so stupid. To proof you are better than them you post links of fights you won against those guys???? The only way to prove that you are better and you can beat them with ease is to show us Head to Head scores dummy!

Since I enjoy making you look like a fool I did it for you. Apparently you want us to work with your names Rocky Marciano, The Contender and Good Fight.

1) Good fight and Rocky Marciano have losing records against Vargas.
2) Good fight, Rocky Marciano and The Contender have a losing record against Black Bear.
3) The Contender and Rocky Marciano have losing records against Red Viper, between Good Fight and Red Viper it is even (10 fight history).
4) Good fight no results against Nigel Benn, Rocky Marciano a losing record against Nigel Benn and ONLY The Contender beat Nigel 2-1.
5) Reaper is the only fighter your fighters have a positive record against.

And for what it is worth Rocky Marciano and Good Fight have losing records against Dick. E Boon. Under the alt The Contender they didnt fight.

So how can you state you can beat those guys without any trouble? Owned buddy!

Skillz wrote:That idea would not work anymore really Sal because of the fact that the only HOFers tht are here r Sal,HTF,Lerry,Fatny 4 ppl vote for it?? like a panel of judges lol..

It shud be the HOFers and Popular Vote,like in the presidential elections..

Make the HOF votes like electorial votes and Popular like the General Vote.
And if u get to a certain amount of votes and electorial (HOF) votes u are a HOFer.

So if theres 4 or 5 active forum HOFers u hav to have atleast 3 electorial (HOF) votes.And you would hav to reach a certain amount with the popular vote.

.....John read wht i said lol...it takes care of ur comment for the idea of "our" vote.

Now you are just being a sore loser. Your not even man enough to admit that you are wrong. Wow just wow. What a little bitch you are.

I never claimed that I was this or that a year or two ago so keep posting bs and counting irrelevant fights from 1, 2 or 3 years ago all you want. None of that matters a shit and you know it. You just don't want to admit it publicly. We all start from somewhere and improve as time goes by. All that matter is where we are now. I posted stats called RECENT AND RELEVANT head to head scores where I am now as requested. Keep whining all you want. It does not change facts.

Funny thing is that you even fail at counting old fights from around the time I started to play this game. You do not even know name of my first alt on this game.

For your information head to head does not even show all fights for some reason. Lol at you not even realising/noticing that. Here is a hint: Do you really think Reaper only fought Rocky Marciano alts 4 times...

By the way according to your logic Fatny absolutely sucks at this game. See he made lot of alts and used to lose a lot... till he improved and started to own. Wait! stop the presses!!! I kind of did the same thing (for my own reasons I am sure he had his. I have yet to reach his level and might not ever even reach it as he is in his own league compared to everyone else and that's not even my goal).

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Wait why am I even posting this? You know you got served but you are not man enough to admit it and that my friend is the difference between us. There is no way you'll do that. You'll argue your agenda to the death despite it making no sense whatsoever. You are the type of person to ignore facts like you are doing now. There is no point. This is total waste of my time.

Like I wrote you are being ignored from now on. Boxing you is total waste of my time now as you go down too easy and talking with you makes even less sense since you have nothing of value to say. All you do is post some BS.

Keep posting more crap all you want and waste your time. I wont be here to reply and I for sure will not read this thread again because my friend I am done with you and this thread. Frankly said I could not care less. You can consider yourself pwned.

1.Black Bear
yes, silent, yet deadly
2.Nigel Benn
yes
3.Fernando Vargas
i'm sorry, but no
4.Red Viper
absolutely, yes
5.Reaper
HELL NO, I think his bitchass attitude is humorous but it's not gona get him in

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A few more things I'd like to add.

As Mikkel has pointed out, only he and the HOFers may cast a vote, and everyone will know when someone is HOF material. Unfortunately, at the moment no one is HOF worthy.

IMO, Nigel Benn, Black Bear, and Vargas, have been super close but they eventually retired too soon.

Now if one of those guys or anyone else for that matter were to come around today and OWN, they would be inducted without a doubt. And I don't see why that isn't possible. At their best, they were extremely skillful. Further, the only HOFers that are still active are myself, Larry, and Fatny (Well, only forum active). However, at the moment, I'm really the only one that plays. Therefore, the opportunity is wide open for those three fighters or any others to put it all together now. I mean the competition isn't what it once was so if you can't dominate the current crop, you would not have dominated in any era.

Just my two cents.

Rocky Marciano wrote:Now you are just being a sore loser. Your not even man enough to admit that you are wrong. Wow just wow. What a little bitch you are.

I never claimed that I was this or that a year or two ago so keep posting bs and counting irrelevant fights from 1, 2 or 3 years ago all you want. None of that matters a shit and you know it. You just don't want to admit it publicly. We all start from somewhere and improve as time goes by. All that matter is where we are now. I posted stats called RECENT AND RELEVANT head to head scores where I am now as requested. Keep whining all you want. It does not change facts.

Funny thing is that you even fail at counting old fights from around the time I started to play this game. You do not even know name of my first alt on this game.

For your information head to head does not even show all fights for some reason. Lol at you not even realising/noticing that. Here is a hint: Do you really think Reaper only fought Rocky Marciano alts 4 times...

By the way according to your logic Fatny absolutely sucks at this game. See he made lot of alts and used to lose a lot... till he improved and started to own. Wait! stop the presses!!! I kind of did the same thing (for my own reasons I am sure he had his. I have yet to reach his level and might not ever even reach it as he is in his own league compared to everyone else and that's not even my goal).

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Wait why am I even posting this? You know you got served but you are not man enough to admit it and that my friend is the difference between us. There is no way you'll do that. You'll argue your agenda to the death despite it making no sense whatsoever. You are the type of person to ignore facts like you are doing now. There is no point. This is total waste of my time.

Like I wrote you are being ignored from now on. Boxing you is total waste of my time now as you go down too easy and talking with you makes even less sense since you have nothing of value to say. All you do is post some BS.

Keep posting more crap all you want and waste your time. I wont be here to reply and I for sure will not read this thread again because my friend I am done with you and this thread. Frankly said I could not care less. You can consider yourself pwned.

No offense bro, but how come you don't just create one ID and establish yourself in this game? Are you afraid that you'll lose more than win? Do you just not have the time to play consistently?

It almost seems like you love creating alts so you can defeat the top fighters in 4 rounders, and go on to say that you have the skillset to do it regularly against everyone. However, that's not the way it works. IMO, anyone with decent skills can upset a great fighter in a 4 rounder if the great fighter has no clue he's fighting someone with respectable skills. Usually, the great fighter catches on when it's much too late. This is the reason I don't like to fight alts. I prefer to know who I'm fighting because I already know what works or doesn't work against certain opponents.

From what I remember, you've always had the skills to compete at the top, so why not just fight regularly on one ID until it all clicks for you?

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Rocky, you were the one mentioning fights under your alts Good Fight and The Contender. I took a look at those alts vs the fighters you said you can beat with ease. Stats prove you are wrong. They beat you most of the time. I looked at last 10 fights.

You allready backed off changing your original post. You admitted that what you wrote was ridiculous and corrected your own post.

If you still insist you beat beat the top fighters with ease, show us the head to head stats of your fighter that actually does beat the fighters mentioned. You cannot. Case closed.

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"No offense bro, but how come you don't just create one ID and establish yourself in this game? Are you afraid that you'll lose more than win? Do you just not have the time to play consistently?"

None taken. First time I played this game was years ago. I did a google search and ended up clicking OB website. I logged on and created a boxer.
I still remember that day. HTF was online, Larry was online and in general everyone online was really good. Not that it mattered as little did I know and I had boxed zero matches. I got totally owned and it seemed just impossible to beat anyone.

I came back about 6 months later and started to play, took my losses and tried to improve. My goal was to win a title just once. It seemed almost impossible as everyone else was so good compared to me. I kept playing and then finally won my first title.

Now I needed a new goal. I set to my goal to dub real life record of Rocky Marciano the boxer. It was hard. In fact it took me a good while but I finally managed to do it.

Again I needed a new goal. I set it to achieve 100-0 record without ducking anyone. I had a chat with Fatny about it and he said it is impossible. I decided to try anyway. Well I got quite close few times but have never really managed it. Fatny made sure I kept failing

So each time I lost before reaching my goal I made new alt and have been making new alts.

Each of us have our own goals and motivators. Some people care about winning titles, someone else may care about his KO ratio (Red Viper for example) and some people want to make it to HOF. I dont care about establishing myself in this game and making it to HOF. For me my goal is to make 100-0 without ducking anyone. I do have to say that it does look near impossible like Fatny said.

So that is my reason. I do not know why Vargas and others create new alts.

Regarding 4 rounders I can assure you I absolutely hate 4 rounders. It really is a pain to make it past 4 rounders to "safer" territory. Even one KD in 4 rounders can be a disaster and since stamina is of no issue in 4 rounders it is possible for people to slug spam extremely hard without any remorse.

"From what I remember, you've always had the skills to compete at the top, so why not just fight regularly on one ID until it all clicks for you?"

With all respect I do have to disagree with this. I feel I have been able to hang with really skilled people for a good while and make the match enjoyable for them but it's only during last four months that winning against even the most skilled people has become realistic and viable option for me.

"Do you just not have the time to play consistently? "

I really do think that for me this is one of the biggest issues. Peak time for OB is rather late, at least for me. With most skilled players like Black Bear retiring and other like you Salvador either rarely logging on or logging on at different time than I do it's hard to find those really really tough matches that make me feel like I got lucky if I manage to win.

Between work, University, BJJ/wrestling training and my gf there is only so little time to spend for OB. "Lucky" thing is that I have flu at the moment and little bit fever so I have to stay home.... OB time.

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Here is my opinion regarding HOF in general:

People in the HOF are insane good at this game. They all are. I suppose I am pretty good at this game now. For sure I am not the best but I really can hold my own. Yet these members of HOF pass by every now and then and give me super though match despite just having returned and perhaps lacking little in timing due to not having played.

Even more impressing in my opinion is how members of HOF seem to be able to analyze styles and come up with a alternative strategy to win rather quickly. For example I won few against some of the very best members of HOF. Well each of them individually came back after half a week or so with completely new strategy and style to counter mine and I got seriously outpointed BAD in a way that I feel is hard to crack. HOFfers just have too much experience.